Gorgias

by

Plato

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Medicine Symbol Analysis

Medicine Symbol Icon

Throughout Gorgias, Socrates uses the craft of medicine to symbolize the work of the philosopher. Socrates draws a distinction between the body and the soul, with certain crafts designed to benefit the body and others designed to benefit the soul. Medicine is meant to heal the body, in other words, as philosophy is meant to heal the soul. The symbol of the doctor also allows Socrates to contrast flattery with genuine benefit—that is, a baker “flatters” people’s bodies by indulging their appetites, in contrast to a doctor, whose treatments may be painful but whose goal is to benefit long-term health. Socrates likens this to philosophy, which heals and benefits souls, even if the healing is difficult. By contrast, Socrates views the practice of oratory as flattering people’s souls by telling them what they want to hear.

Medicine Quotes in Gorgias

The Gorgias quotes below all refer to the symbol of Medicine. For each quote, you can also see the other characters and themes related to it (each theme is indicated by its own dot and icon, like this one:
The Practice and Goal of Oratory Theme Icon
).
449a-461b Quotes

GORGIAS: I’m referring to the ability to persuade by speeches judges in a law court, councillors in a council meeting, and assemblymen in an assembly or in any other political gathering that might take place. […]

SOCRATES: Now I think you’ve come closest to making clear what craft you take oratory to be, Gorgias. If I follow you at all, you’re saying that oratory is a producer of persuasion. Its whole business comes to that, and that’s the long and short of it.

Related Characters: Socrates (speaker), Gorgias of Leontini (speaker)
Related Symbols: Medicine
Page Number: 9
Explanation and Analysis:

GORGIAS: Oh yes, Socrates, if only you knew all of it, that it encompasses and subordinates to itself just about everything that can be accomplished. […] And I maintain too that if an orator and a doctor came to any city anywhere you like and had to compete in speaking in the assembly or some other gathering over which of them should be appointed doctor, the doctor wouldn’t make any showing at all, but the one who had the ability to speak would be appointed, if he so wished. And if he were to compete with any other craftsman whatever, the orator more than anyone else would persuade them that they should appoint him, for there isn’t anything that the orator couldn’t speak more persuasively about to a gathering than could any other craftsman whatever. That’s how great the accomplishment of this craft is, and the sort of accomplishment it is!

Related Characters: Gorgias of Leontini (speaker), Socrates
Related Symbols: Medicine
Page Number: 14
Explanation and Analysis:
461b-481b Quotes

Pastry baking has put on the mask of medicine, and pretends to know the foods that are best for the body, so that if a pastry baker and a doctor had to compete in front of children, or in front of men just as foolish as children, to determine which of the two, the doctor or the pastry baker, had expert knowledge of good food and bad, the doctor would die of starvation. I call this flattery, and I say that such a thing is shameful, Polus—it’s you I’m saying this to—because it guesses at what’s pleasant with no consideration for what’s best. And I say that it isn’t a craft, but a knack, because it has no account of the nature of whatever things it applies by which it applies them, so that it’s unable to state the cause of each thing. And I refuse to call anything that lacks such an account a craft.

Related Characters: Socrates (speaker), Polus
Related Symbols: Medicine
Page Number: 25
Explanation and Analysis:

SOCRATES: I take it that these people have managed to accomplish pretty much the same thing as a person who has contracted very serious illnesses, but, by avoiding treatment manages to avoid paying what’s due to the doctors for his bodily faults, fearing, as would a child, cauterization or surgery because they’re painful. Don’t you think so, too?

POLUS: Yes, I do.

SOCRATES: It’s because he evidently doesn’t know what health and bodily excellence are like. For on the basis of what we’re now agreed on, it looks as though those who avoid paying what is due also do the same sort of thing, Polus. They focus on its painfulness, but are blind to its benefit and are ignorant of how much more miserable it is to live with an unhealthy soul than with an unhealthy body, a soul that’s rotten with injustice and impiety.

Related Characters: Socrates (speaker), Polus (speaker)
Related Symbols: Medicine
Page Number: 48
Explanation and Analysis:

SOCRATES: If these things are true then, Polus, what is the great use of oratory? For on the basis of what we’re agreed on now, what a man should guard himself against most of all is doing what’s unjust, knowing that he will have trouble enough if he does. Isn’t that so?

POLUS: Yes, that’s right.

SOCRATES: And if he or anyone else he cares about acts unjustly, he should voluntarily go to the place where he’ll pay his due as soon as possible; he should go to the judge as though he were going to a doctor, anxious that the disease of injustice shouldn’t be protracted and cause his soul to fester incurably.

Related Characters: Socrates (speaker), Polus (speaker)
Related Symbols: Medicine
Page Number: 49
Explanation and Analysis:
491d-509c Quotes

SOCRATES: And the name for the states of organization and order of the soul is “lawful” and “law,” which lead people to become law-abiding and orderly, and these are justice and self-control. […] So this is what that skilled and good orator will look to when he applies to people’s souls whatever speeches he makes as well as all of his actions […] He will always give his attention to how justice may come to exist in the souls of his fellow citizens and injustice be gotten rid of, how self-control may come to exist there and lack of discipline be gotten rid of, and how the rest of excellence may come into being there and evil may depart.

Related Characters: Socrates (speaker), Callicles
Related Symbols: Medicine
Page Number: 83
Explanation and Analysis:

SOCRATES: Now, isn’t it also true that doctors generally allow a person to fill up his appetites, to eat when he’s hungry, for example, or drink when he’s thirsty as much as he wants to when he’s in good health, but when he’s sick they practically never allow him to fill himself with what he has an appetite for? […] And isn’t it just the same way with the soul, my excellent friend? As long as it’s corrupt, in that it’s foolish, undisciplined, unjust and impious, it should be kept away from its appetites and not be permitted to do anything other than what will make it better.

Related Characters: Socrates (speaker), Callicles
Related Symbols: Medicine
Page Number: 84
Explanation and Analysis:
509c-522e Quotes

For I’ll be judged the way a doctor would be judged by a jury of children if a pastry chef were to bring accusations against him. Think about what a man like that, taken captive among these people, could say in his defense, if somebody were to accuse him and say, “Children, this man has worked many great evils on you, yes, on you. He destroys the youngest among you by cutting and burning them, and by slimming them down and choking them he confuses them. He gives them the most bitter potions to drink and forces hunger and thirst on them. He doesn’t feast you on a great variety of sweets the way I do!” What do you think a doctor, caught in such an evil predicament, could say?

Related Characters: Socrates (speaker), Callicles
Related Symbols: Medicine
Page Number: 106
Explanation and Analysis:
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Medicine Symbol Timeline in Gorgias

The timeline below shows where the symbol Medicine appears in Gorgias. The colored dots and icons indicate which themes are associated with that appearance.
461b-481b
The Practice and Goal of Oratory Theme Icon
Justice, Injustice, and the Treatment of the Soul Theme Icon
...legislation and justice; the craft for the body likewise consists of two parts: gymnastics and medicine, which correspond to legislation and justice. In caring for body and soul, these four crafts... (full context)
The Practice and Goal of Oratory Theme Icon
Justice, Injustice, and the Treatment of the Soul Theme Icon
...but with what’s most pleasant at the time. For example, pastry-baking might pretend to be medicine, with a pastry-baker persuading children (or childish adults) that he’s the real nutritional expert, not... (full context)
The Practice and Goal of Oratory Theme Icon
Justice, Injustice, and the Treatment of the Soul Theme Icon
...the sake of which they’re doing it. For example, isn’t it true that people take medicine not because it’s pleasant, but for the sake of getting healthy? Polus agrees with all... (full context)
Justice, Injustice, and the Treatment of the Soul Theme Icon
The Pleasant Life vs. the Good Life Theme Icon
...demonstrate this, he argues that in whatever way a thing acts upon something (like a surgeon cutting deeply), the thing acted upon is acted upon in just that way (the patient... (full context)
Justice, Injustice, and the Treatment of the Soul Theme Icon
The Pleasant Life vs. the Good Life Theme Icon
...of corruption. Just as there are crafts to get rid of poverty (financial management) and disease (medicine), there’s also one to get rid of the soul’s injustice: justice. If having evil... (full context)
Justice, Injustice, and the Treatment of the Soul Theme Icon
The Pleasant Life vs. the Good Life Theme Icon
...medical treatment out of fear, it’s because they don’t understand how it feels to be healthy and physically fit. In the same way, someone who avoids discipline is focusing on the... (full context)
The Practice and Goal of Oratory Theme Icon
Justice, Injustice, and the Treatment of the Soul Theme Icon
...being the case, one who commits something unjust should voluntarily seek out discipline, lest the “disease” should cause one’s soul to decay. Further, this means that if oratory is used to... (full context)