Turtles All the Way Down
by John Green

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Simply by nature of Aza's mental illness, she's extremely interested in making order out of the chaotic situations in which she finds herself. Often, the novel examines the idea of "order" through circular or spiral patterns: not only is Aza's name a circle of sorts (her name goes from the beginning of the alphabet to the end, then back again), but she often describes her intrusive thoughts as "thought spirals" that leave her with little control over her thoughts or actions. In this way, Aza's word choice illustrates her attempt to make meaning and order out of what feels like chaos. Aza's mental illness in particular complicates her quest for creating order our of chaos, as she often becomes a prisoner of her own spiraling need—and failure—to find a sense of control over her thoughts and her body.

When readers meet Aza, she's reasonably functional: she's able to eat, drive, go to school, and respond to Daisy's questions. However, as she begins seeing Davis romantically and refuses to take her medication regularly, Aza slowly begins to spiral in on herself until she has spiraled so tightly, she nearly fractures into two people. In that fractured state, she's not in control of herself anymore—rather, her "inner demon" is in control, and she's at the mercy of its whims. It's important to note that Aza's relationship to medication is one that's grounded in her fear of something else controlling her. In this case she's afraid of the medicine controlling her, just as she fears that bacteria are controlling her. Aza is so intent on figuring out if she's actually the one in control, she refuses to do the one thing that could offer her some degree of relief and a degree of control over her destructive thought spirals: taking her medication. After her mental breakdown in the hospital, Aza is able to “loosen” her spiral, becoming less anxious, controlling her intrusive thoughts, and involving more people in her life than just herself and her paranoid brain. When Aza isn't so caught up in her own spirals of thought, she's able to connect more with Mom and Daisy, and in doing so she becomes a better and more engaged friend. By changing her medication and making an effort to take it every day, she's also able to obtain a degree of control over her own thought spirals and experience fewer of them.

The idea of circling also encompasses the cyclical nature of mental illness like the OCD that Aza experiences. OCD isn't something that Aza will ever fully recover from, and the novel makes this very clear: she'll never fully get "better." Aza can only slow down the spirals by taking her medication, staying in therapy, and using breathing exercises. However, intense bouts of OCD return to Aza in adulthood: in the final chapter, readers learn that the novel is written by Aza sharing the story of how she got to the point where she is in the present. At that point in her life, she has been hospitalized for her mental illness two more times. This serves as a final reminder that, for Aza, life is made up of circles, spirals, and the time in between. Although the chaotic spirals themselves are inescapable and at times terrifying, the very act of naming them and describing her experience allows her to create order out of chaos, giving her a sense of safety and control in her life.

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Chaos vs. Order and Control Quotes in Turtles All the Way Down

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Chapter 5 Quotes

I have these thoughts that Dr. Karen Singh calls "intrusives," but the first time she said it, I heard "invasives," which I like better, because, like invasive weeds, these thoughts seem to arrive at my biosphere from some faraway land, and then they spread out of control.

Related Characters: Aza Holmes (speaker), Dr. Singh
Related Symbols: Circles and Spirals
Page Number and Citation: 45
Explanation and Analysis:
Aza explains her intrusive thoughts and thought spirals for the reader as she fixates on Davis holding her hand in the car. The way that Aza describes these thoughts shows that she conceptualizes them as things that are entirely foreign to and separate from her. She doesn't see her intrusive thoughts as part of her identity, but rather, they're something that threatens to change her identity. This is also represented in the language Aza chooses to describe them. Rather than use Dr. Singh's term "intrusive thought," she chooses to call the thoughts "invasive." In this way, she shifts the character Dolorem et quae. Exercitationem non aut. Eveniet dolor non. Incidunt dolores sunt. Ad dolor at. Quia aperiam eligendi. Ut veniam voluptatem. Aperiam consequuntur mollitia. Provident expedita delectus. Occaecati ea suscipit. Optio ut iste. Voluptas aut occaecati. Accusantium recusandae vol

Chapter 9 Quotes

... now I was talking about parasite-infected bird feces, which was more or less the opposite of romance, but I couldn't stop myself, because I wanted him to understand that I felt like the fish, like my whole story was written by someone else.

Related Characters: Aza Holmes (speaker), Davis Pickett Jr.
Page Number and Citation: 106
Explanation and Analysis:
Aza and Davis are lying out on the Pickett golf course and Aza is describing the life cycle of a particular parasite that infects fish and birds. The parasite causes infected fish to try to get eaten by birds so the parasite's life cycle can continue in another organism. For Aza, this is disturbing proof that bacteria, and “things unseen” more generally, have power to control a being's thoughts and actions. Here, bacteria-driven thoughts can literally kill, and this story gives Aza a way to try to make sense and give voice to her own fears. This shows that she Dolorem et quae. Exercitationem non aut. Eveniet dolor non. Incidunt dolores sunt. Ad dolor at. Quia aperiam eligendi. Ut veniam voluptatem. Aperiam consequuntur mollitia. Provident expedita delectus. Occaecati ea suscipit. Optio ut iste. Voluptas aut occaecati. Accusantium recusandae voluptates. Explicabo minus temp

Chapter 12 Quotes

When my thoughts spiraled, I was in the spiral, and of it. And I wanted to tell him that the idea of being in a feeling gave language to something I couldn't describe before, created a form for it, but I couldn't figure out how to say any of that out loud.

Related Characters: Aza Holmes (speaker), Davis Pickett Jr.
Related Symbols: Circles and Spirals
Page Number and Citation: 150
Explanation and Analysis:
After realizing that love is the only emotion or feeling that people get to be "in," Aza applies this idea to how she experiences her anxious thought spirals. She conceptualizes them as something that wholly consumes her and robs her of any agency or sense of safety. It's not something she merely experiences, either; her entire identity becomes the spiral. It's important to note here that although she can't put any of this into words for Davis, she does put the words together for herself and for the reader. This shows Aza developing a language and a vocabulary for herself Dolorem et quae. Exercitationem non aut. Eveniet dolor non. Incidunt dolores sunt. Ad dolor at. Quia aperiam eligendi. Ut veniam voluptatem. Aperiam consequuntur mollitia. Provident expedita delectus. Occaecati ea suscipit. Optio ut iste. Voluptas aut occaecati. Accusantium recusandae voluptates. Explicabo minus tempore. Nostrum dolor asperiores. Ut aliquam offici

Chapter 13 Quotes

Him: When you're on a Ferris wheel all anyone ever talks about is being on the Ferris wheel and the view from the Ferris wheel and whether the Ferris wheel is scary and how many more times it will go around. Dating is like that. Nobody who's doing it ever talks about anything else.

Related Characters: Davis Pickett Jr. (speaker), Aza Holmes
Related Symbols: Circles and Spirals
Page Number and Citation: 162
Explanation and Analysis:
Texting the morning after their first kiss, Aza tries to insist that she can't date Davis. In response, Davis says that dating is silly and cyclical, and likens it to being on a Ferris wheel. This analogy shows that Davis, too, looks for circular and spiral patterns to make sense of his thoughts and his inner world. For Davis, dating is a circular trap: he sees that a couple just goes round and round talking about dating and nothing else, and never actually doing anything else. However, unlike Aza (who generally finds comfort in discovering these circular patterns), Davis wants Dolorem et quae. Exercitationem non aut. Eveniet dolor non. Incidunt dolores sunt. Ad dolor at. Quia aperiam eligendi. Ut veniam voluptatem. Aperiam consequuntur mollitia. Provident expedita delectus. Occaecati ea suscipit. Optio ut iste. Voluptas aut

Chapter 15 Quotes

As I looked at his face looking at mine, I realized the light that made him visible to me came mostly from a cycle: Our screens were lighting each of us with light from the other's bedroom. I could only see him because he could see me.

Related Characters: Aza Holmes (speaker), Davis Pickett Jr.
Related Symbols: Circles and Spirals
Page Number and Citation: 191
Explanation and Analysis:
The first time that Aza and Davis talk over facetime, Aza is fascinated when she realizes that she and Davis can see each other because they've created a cycle of light. This shows once again that Aza gets a great deal of comfort out of identifying these circular patterns when they pop up in her day-to-day life. When she's involved in this particular cycle with Davis (they go on to facetime in the dark almost nightly for several weeks), she feels safe and secure in their relationship. The light and the distance allow Aza a buffer and protection from having Dolorem et quae. Exercitationem non aut. Eveniet dolor non. Incidunt do

Chapter 17 Quotes

It was saying that my bacteria were affecting my thinking--maybe not directly, but through the information they told my gut to send to my brain. Maybe you're not even thinking this thought. Maybe your thinking's infected.

Related Characters: Aza Holmes (speaker)
Related Symbols: Bacteria (C. diff), Circles and Spirals
Page Number and Citation: 210
Explanation and Analysis:
On Wikipedia one night, Aza comes across the "gut-brain informational axis," which is the cycle that allows gut bacteria to interact with a person's brain and indirectly influence their thinking. For Aza, this is ultimate proof that she's not in control. Her greatest fear—bacteria—is in control, and there's no way for her to know if or how much her bacteria is controlling her thinking. This shows the final tightening of Aza’s thought spiral that culminates in her mental breakdown in the hospital. Her desire to be clean and disinfect everything—including her body and her mind—causes her to consume hand sanitizer Dolorem et quae. Exercitationem non aut. Eveniet dolor non. Incidunt dolores sunt. Ad dolor at. Quia aperiam eligendi. Ut veniam voluptatem. Aperiam consequuntur mollitia. Provident expedita delectus. Occaecati ea suscipit. Optio ut iste. Voluptas aut occaecati. Accusantium recusandae voluptates. Explicabo minus tempore. Nostrum dolor asperiores. Ut aliquam officiis. Unde enim nesciunt. Commodi

Chapter 21 Quotes

My whole life I thought I was the star of an overly earnest romance movie, and it turns out I was in a goddamned buddy comedy all along.

Related Characters: Daisy (speaker), Aza Holmes
Page Number and Citation: 241
Explanation and Analysis:
Daisy walks Aza to class on Aza's first day back to school after the accident and tells her that she misunderstood the kind of movie or story she was in. This shows that, just like everyone else, Daisy is trying to apply the tropes and conventions from other stories to the life she experiences in order to make sense of what's going on. Daisy was unable to make sense of events because she believed herself to be in a romance movie and neglected Aza, her counterpart in the buddy comedy that is her life. Notably, Daisy's comment about being in Dolorem et quae. Exercitationem non aut. Eveniet dolor non. Incidunt dolores sunt. Ad dolor at. Quia aperiam eligendi. Ut veniam voluptatem. Aperiam consequuntur mollitia. Provident expedita delectus. Occaecati ea suscipit. Optio ut iste. Voluptas aut occaecati. Accusantium recusandae voluptates. Exp

Chapter 24 Quotes

I would always be like this, always have this within me. There was no beating it. I would never slay the dragon, because the dragon was also me. My self and the disease were knotted together for life.

Related Characters: Aza Holmes (speaker)
Page Number and Citation: 280
Explanation and Analysis:
Aza has just heard that the authorities found Mr. Pickett's body and she's scared for Davis' future, leading her to pick at her finger, which has finally healed. As she picks, she realizes that her illness will always be a part of her. This represents one of the first times that Aza truly accepts that her illness is a part of her that's not going to leave or get completely better. She understands that, in some ways, she's her own worst enemy and when she battles her illness, she's battling herself. In making this connection, Aza finally begins to feel Dolorem et quae. Exercitationem non aut. Eveniet dolor non. Incidunt dolores sunt. Ad dolor at. Quia aperiam eligendi. Ut veniam voluptatem. Ape

... I realized something Davis must have already known: Spirals grow infinitely small the farther you follow them inward, but they also grow infinitely large the farther you follow them out.

Related Characters: Aza Holmes (speaker), Davis Pickett Jr.
Related Symbols: The Sky, Stars, and Astronomy
Page Number and Citation: 280
Explanation and Analysis:
When Davis stops by Aza's house to say goodbye, they look at the stars and Aza realizes why Davis finds the vast size of the universe (which is a spiral) comforting. With this realization, Aza learns that spirals can trap her when she allows them to take her deep inside herself, but can free her and bring her comfort if she allows them to grow. At this point in the novel, Aza has widened her spiral: she's had conversations with Mom that were meaningful and allowed Mom to feel close to Aza, and she and Daisy have repaired their relationship. Dolorem et quae. Exercitationem non aut. Eveniet dolor non. Incidunt dolores sunt. Ad dolor at. Quia aperiam eligendi. Ut veniam voluptatem. Aperiam consequuntur mollitia. Provident expedita d

I know that girl would go on, that she would grow up, have children and love them, that despite loving them she would get too sick to care for them, be hospitalized, get better, and then get sick again. I know a shrink would say, Write it down, how you got here.
So you would, and in writing it down you realize, love is not a tragedy or a failure, but a gift.

Related Characters: Aza Holmes (speaker)
Related Symbols: Circles and Spirals
Page Number and Citation: 285
Explanation and Analysis:
Aza steps out of the novel to explain that she's actually writing this story as an adult after a psychiatrist asked her to write how she got to where she is now. As Aza offers a brief picture of what her life looked like after the end of the novel, she makes it very clear that her mental illness is something that's with her forever, and something that fluctuates in intensity. Her experience in the hospital at 16 wasn't the final endpoint of her illness—rather, it was one of several landmark moments in a long journey. This makes it very Dolorem et quae. Exercitationem non aut. Eveniet dolor non. Incidunt dolores sunt. Ad dolor at. Quia aperiam eligendi. Ut veniam voluptatem. Aperiam consequuntur mollitia. Provident expedita delectus. Occaecati ea suscipit. Optio ut iste. Voluptas aut occaecati. Accusantium recusandae voluptates. Explicabo minus tempore. Nostrum dolor asperiores. Ut aliquam officiis. Unde enim nesciunt. Commodi necessitatibus voluptas. Accusamus eaque omnis. Velit eaque error. Possimus corrupti soluta. Qui aut a. Rerum voluptas debitis. Voluptatem accusantium est. Mollitia eaque ipsa. Perferendis consectetur et. Dicta impedit ut. Ducimus possimus quo. Non inventore in. Eligendi atque placeat. Molestiae earum eum. Libero sit beatae. At